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#1 Invective

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 09:41 PM

Hey Celicians....

My clutch has had a slight slip in it every now and then (seems to change day to day). Yesterday I rung a local guy (Central Victoria) and he said it might just require a tweak and went on about being able to work a bit more out of most clutches.

I rocked up there today and dropped it off, it was the kind of place where you get no service at the front end and have to walk around through machine shops to find someone. No problems there though. COB today I went back and he said he'd managed to work a little bit more, but it was still slipping and would need to be changed in a few more thousand k's.

I asked him for a rough price and he said he could only give me "very rough" at that point but said maybe 1000 to replace it including around a days work.

Now i'm not after anything special in particular, i just want a stock clutch. I've noticed that many of you go on about 'heavy duty' clutches and the likes. Now from what I understand, a heavy duty clutch is actually about the last thing we want in a small sports car because it does not actually suggest it would last longer, it just grips tighter due to the increased friction. TRD and the like would be nice, i'm sure they last longer and probably do some other fancy pants things as well. But alas, I can not bring myself to believe that it's worth it.

So, overall. Just wondering if anybody could give me a price of:
A - A replacement at their local toyota and
B - A replacement thats been decent (comments on quality?) from another place.

He also mentioned that he would need a clutch 'Kit' to install it where some of the other surrounding parts where replaced as well, on top of the plate (Sorry it was COB and my mind was elsewhere, so i've forgotten).

Oh and one final thing, say i did in the end go for the local mechanic, it didn't exactly sound like he had alot of celica experience. Do you think there is a any chance that his install might stuff up the lift timings or something unforseen along those lines?

Oh and i have some mates that are fully into cars that have offered to chuck one in, if i did get a stock or a TRD kit or something, has anybody tried to chuck one in themselves? how difficult etc.

Edit: Just going through some other posts, where can i score an exedy clutch kit (inc fly wheel and junk) and how much? autobahn be able to score one for me you think?


Hope somebody can help.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
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Edited by Invective, 23 April 2008 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 23 April 2008 - 10:26 PM

ok well first off 1000 is crazy.

Exedy HD clutches are great and cheap. They are light for every day driving and can grab and hold more then the stock clutch so really its a pretty sensible up grade. umm i think they cost around $250-350 not entirely sure i got mine real cheap.

changing the clutch you could probably do your self with your mates, but they aint lying it is like a full day job and you would need to spend like $40bucks to have ur fly wheel resurfaced. I think i had my clutch installed and a few little other things fixed up around the tranny for i think under $400

There are guides on www.newcelica.org that show step by step on how to change the clutch. Which really is better then some local mechanic that will just start undo random shit till the tranny fulls out.



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Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:47 PM

Recently I have replaced my stock clutch with Exedy as well

I love it , it Great, I recomend it!

clutch cost me $350 with delievery

Installation at the Grand Toyota cost me about $600

Grand all up sounds right to me, but I also had a flywheel installed along with the clutch but job is the same anyway.
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Posted 23 April 2008 - 11:54 PM

A clutch is a clutch smile.gif Any half decent mechanic will be able to do it.

However, there are specialist clutch shops so for the peace of mind just take it to one of them.

Don't worry about your lift timings or anything like that, he wont touch the engine. All you need to do is remove the transmission and swap the parts over. He is not lying about the clutch kit, usually you change the clutch plate, pressure plate and throwout bearing at the same time so these come in kit form. Flywheel resurfacing is no big deal and if your clutch has only started slipping recently I would guess that your flywheel is probably almost perfect anyway.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 12:01 AM

BUT , its HIGHLY recommended you DO get the flywheel licked a touch ...

that way , you'll get max effect for your hardearned $$$..

afterall , 2 new surfaces are betta than marrying an old one to a new one

My 2c. worth ...

btw . pricing sounds fair to me too



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Posted 24 April 2008 - 12:36 AM

Yeah, 1000 for a clutch install including parts is a fairly normal price. I'm not sure how jerom got his changed for 400, if that included the exedy also. If it didn't than that would be 400+300 so thats bringing it up there.. A full days work at 50-60/hr easily comes to 500-600 then you have to pay a few hundred for the clutch also.

I also recommend getting the exedy, I doubt it is much, if any, more expensive than a genuine stock one from toyota.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 08:46 AM

Toyota quoted me 6.5 hrs labour, $40-50 for machining and about $350 for OEM clutch kit, including thrust bearing (I think Toyota here is about $80p/h?).
I ended up getting TRD clutch and Flywheel and then Toyota to install it because the other places hadn't done Celicas so it could have taken longer costing more money.

The TRD route ended up costing a LOT .
The Thrust bearing and Flywheel bolts added an extra ~$180. Clutch ~$600, Flywheel ~$700, Labour ~$520 = $2000

But after all that, I love it, love how it feels an I've been to heaps of trackdays and it takes the punishment lap after lap no worries.

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 01:23 PM

Cut the long story short,

I had no choice & no time so i had to replace my clutch with an OEM one. All up + replacing the master cylinder it cost me just over $1000 @ toyota.

If i did have a choice, i would of went HD / after market flywheel. From what i saw with my old clutch, stock celica clutch is pretty crappy.

I don't regularly drive hard, just on track days. Hardly ever launch the car, and im usually easy on the clutch.
I had to drive home 200kms to melbourne with a bent master cylinder which was great fun, maybe that caused all the damage unsure.gif

OEM clutch @ 60000kms


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Posted 26 April 2008 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE (BlkZR @ Apr 25 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cut the long story short,

I had no choice & no time so i had to replace my clutch with an OEM one. All up + replacing the master cylinder it cost me just over $1000 @ toyota.

If i did have a choice, i would of went HD / after market flywheel. From what i saw with my old clutch, stock celica clutch is pretty crappy.

I don't regularly drive hard, just on track days. Hardly ever launch the car, and im usually easy on the clutch.
I had to drive home 200kms to melbourne with a bent master cylinder which was great fun, maybe that caused all the damage unsure.gif

OEM clutch @ 60000kms




Damn man that clutch took a beating. My clutch is still stock lol at is like 150k old. $1000 is a bit steep. you can get fidanza fly wheel and clutch package for about $500 aus delivered. I got quoted $450 to install.

Oh well enjoy the new clutch


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Posted 26 April 2008 - 04:00 PM

but dont enjoy it too much..or you'll need another one again
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 02:55 PM

Finally got it replaced.

820 bucks all up including 300 for the clutch kit itself. Guy showed me the old clutch, was ruined.

The clutch was an exedy normal clutch (I really didn't want heavy duty, its just not required for a celica, doesn't make the clutch last longer, remember that heavy duty only makes the friction greater on the clutch and a celica engine doesn't have enough torque to require HD).

The new feel of the car is amazing, pedal is a alot lighter (Still has some resistance), pickup is great, no slipping and a few other sounds are now gone. The cars back to sounding and driving great.

So that was in a region town too (Bendigo). You might be able to get it done cheaper elsewhere. That wasn't at Toyota either, just a local exedy dealer who was recommended by lots of people in the area.


Overall i think it's driving better then when i brought it, but then again the clutch was probably slightly screwed to start with (second hand).

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 06:14 PM

Well my clutch is just about to die on me. just a quick question. anyone heard anything about those F1 stage 2 clutches for the celica on ebay. Look okay for the price. Could get that with fidanza fly wheel for under $500.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 06:17 PM

QUOTE (magyar @ Jun 12 2008, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well my clutch is just about to die on me. just a quick question. anyone heard anything about those F1 stage 2 clutches for the celica on ebay. Look okay for the price. Could get that with fidanza fly wheel for under $500.

dude, stop buying replica shit off ebay.... or ur penis will fall off lolhit.gif

Edited by Ck1, 12 June 2008 - 08:25 PM.


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Posted 12 June 2008 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Ck1 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dude, stop being replica shit off ebay.... or ur penis will fall off lolhit.gif


Those f1 ebay stuff will fall apart on you and things will fly off just like in fast and furious.

Get the exedy heavy duty like mine, grip and rip baby!!!! chuckles.gif
I've still yet to drive a car with organic type clutch that grips so nicely. Feels nearly like a puk clutch.

Invective... Heavy duty isn't necessary for a daily driven car driving normally. But it's definately not made for racing and won't last long at all if you were planning to race on a standard clutch. If your stock clutch was ruin and not worn out over time, then most likely your new clutch won't last very long either.

Obviously, the celica don't have that much torque. But when your dialing up 7000rpm for a launch on a sticky track, you'd need that extra grip from the clutch. lolhit.gif
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Posted 12 June 2008 - 08:39 PM

I never have the experience with installing HD Clutch, but would it be fine to replace OEM with Exedy inc lighter flywheel?

Sorry for the noob question sad.gif

Edited by Danz, 12 June 2008 - 08:40 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 04:20 PM

Yeah alright... 7000 rpm launches might have the torque required for HD clutch, but everything i've read points to them not actually lasting longer then standards. They're the same materials etc, just tighter springs for more grip. I don't race mine at track days, so not required. But hey if it's working for you, then nice work.

Yeah my car was 7 years old on the stock clutch with 1 or 2 owners before me. It was slightly screwed when i got it. So its just over time, but when he removed it, he said it was definately causing my slipping problems due to the wear.

I don't expect the exedy to retire anytime soon and i believe that i'm quite soft on the clutch (don't ride ect.)


Danz, if you are talking about doing it yourself... apparently its a bit harder then your standard car because of the tight spaces and east/west engine positioning, but otherwise its just a standing install.

I paid 500 bucks to get mine installed and 300 bucks for the exedy normal clutch kit (Flywheel was machined and fine afterwards). Took an entire days labour so I think my deal wasn't too bad looking at prices others have paid.

The exedy feels great and I experience no slipping with revs at takeoff.

Hope you get it sorted out.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 05:55 PM

I don't think I will be installing it myself, it's too hard. Haha

I just wanted to know if its okay to use OEM Exedy replacement but using say TRD flywheel. Some say HD clutch is required, but I don't see why that's the case.
The reason is because my driving style don't really need HD clutch, but yeah since changing clutch is a good opportunity to install fly and/or LSD, i just want to know if its ok combinign OEM type with lighter flywheel.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE (Danz @ Jun 13 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think I will be installing it myself, it's too hard. Haha

I just wanted to know if its okay to use OEM Exedy replacement but using say TRD flywheel. Some say HD clutch is required, but I don't see why that's the case.
The reason is because my driving style don't really need HD clutch, but yeah since changing clutch is a good opportunity to install fly and/or LSD, i just want to know if its ok combinign OEM type with lighter flywheel.

cheers!


If your changing for performance, I'd say spend the extra bucks for a heavy duty. With lighten flywheel, your gonna tend to have to rev a little bit higher to take off. You'd end up slipping the clutch alot with a standard clutch. Standard clutch is great for daily driving and that's it. It's no go for launches and no good for high rpm shifts.

Exedy duty clutch comes with a higher rated pressure plate and standard sprung center clutch disc. Good for both worlds. Mine lasted me 3 years and alot, ALOT of races on and off the track. And now is holding 180+kw atw fine and has a fair few races in it.

It's not made to last any longer, because it's has the same clutch disc. But with the heavy duty pressure plate, it will slip less and will last longer if you race it.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:41 AM

roger that!

Thanks for the info guys!
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Posted 01 April 2016 - 09:10 PM

ok well first off 1000 is crazy.

Exedy HD clutches are great and cheap. They are light for every day driving and can grab and hold more then the stock clutch so really its a pretty sensible up grade. umm i think they cost around $250-350 not entirely sure i got mine real cheap.

changing the clutch you could probably do your self with your mates, but they aint lying it is like a full day job and you would need to spend like $40bucks to have ur fly wheel resurfaced. I think i had my clutch installed and a few little other things fixed up around the tranny for i think under $400

There are guides on www.newcelica.org that show step by step on how to change the clutch. Which really is better then some local mechanic that will just start undo random shit till the tranny fulls out.

 

 

Im due for a new clutch the original is finally on its last legs.

 

I've been recommended to get the Exedy HD clutch, it appears to have alot of good feedback on here. Just looking online atm found a Exedy clutch on ebay (those ebay haters stop rolling your eyes, unless you know where else i could get the same clutch)

 

http://www.ebay.com....NAAAOSwQJhUimC4

 

just curious if thats similar or the same to what other Celica 7th gen owners have installed


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Posted 03 April 2016 - 03:59 PM

Exedy cushioned button. Best street clutch end of story.
If it can survive 5k rpm clutch dumps in my GT Four be drive able in traffic and never slip. About $800 plus install. Npc and dcs both offer their versions.

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