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stupid fracking Toyota rip-off fools what do they take me for? blllluuuuurrrrggggh!

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#1 JB.

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 12:01 AM

My car has been at Toyota for the last two days. WOW did I ever make a bad decision to let them do a simple job!

They reckon pulling two codes (coolant temp sensor fail and vacuum leak) soldering two wires, screw in a new coolant temp sensor, drill-a-hole stick-a-union and connect a pipe from valve cover breather to air-box hose takes 3 hours at a cost of $575 (incl. $115 parts)....I DON'T THINK SO!

THE CAUSE OF ALL THIS FUSS

I snapped off the [coolant temp sensor(to-ECU)] electrical plug on the sensor housing while I was changing the distributor O-ring. I reattached it best I could and headed down to my local Toyota Service Centre as I figured they would tell me what I needed to know.

After experiencing a check engine light and MUCH misfiring on the way there I decided I didn't want to drive it until it was fixed. (apparently the sensor communicates with the EFI circuit?)

 

The only thing they did to benefit my situation was to tell me the codes that they pulled from the ECU....and that for some reason I have a 3SFE throttle body and coolant temp sensor housing....They called me saying “You didn't tell us you did an engine swap to 3SFE”...

“huh?! Are you styooooo-ped? You're supposed to be the Toyota expert! It's a stock engine nob-face!” [is what I wanted to say]

 

[END OF RANT]

 

Here's a funny/cool bumper sticker to break the rage.
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I'm not a bumper sticker kind of guy, but I have never wanted a bumper sticker so much in my life! :wub:


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:54 AM

I'm surprised Toyota agreed to solder stuff.

I know in my workplace its a big no-no

Crimp connectors only, with yellow patch wire only, with special heat shrink crimping connectors which are $7 each


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 10:21 AM

Yer ... They be tyco raychem connectors the best thing ever ....

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:52 AM

i thought it was a known thing not to bring your car to Toyota for services and fixes. Sorry you had to find out the hard way...


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:15 PM

lil hint, champ, GT-FOUR,arakon and myself take ours to mal motors in Osborne park. is arakons brother an is pretty good :)


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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:21 PM

Why was holes needing to be drilled for venting?

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 09:06 PM

Wow, I would have ordered the parts needed and fixed it in their car park lol.

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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:29 PM

I'm surprised Toyota agreed to solder stuff.

I know in my workplace its a big no-no

Crimp connectors only, with yellow patch wire only, with special heat shrink crimping connectors which are $7 each

They did this^ but they also soldered the open end wire(after crimp) to the new sensor. I'm guessing the existing wire wasn't long enough.

 

i thought it was a known thing not to bring your car to Toyota for services and fixes. Sorry you had to find out the hard way...

Yeah believe me I was reluctant, however the engine was misfiring like the nuts because the coolant temp sensor (apparently) works in conjunction with EFI....and I didn't have a sensor.

 

lil hint, champ, GT-FOUR,arakon and myself take ours to mal motors in Osborne park. is arakons brother an is pretty good :)

I will do this ^ from now on for major stuff. Cheers Ozy.

 

Why was holes needing to be drilled for venting?

To cycle the blowby back through the intake hose before the throttle body.
The hose seems to be aftermarket replica, not Toyota genuine. The outlets you see on the pipe are actually molded shut.... Thus the need to make a hole.
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Wow, I would have ordered the parts needed and fixed it in their car park lol.

I wished I had the time and the tools at the time mate but I had to get to work and I didn't want to drive a misfiring engine....It was rather violent misfiring.
Also, the only reason I agreed to them doing the work in the first place is because they quoted me $275+GST incl parts.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:45 PM

Update: 

Nick at Toyota Galleria is a man of integrity. When I came in to pick up the car he pulled up the job card and said "Hold on a second mate, I'll be back. I just have to talk to the mechanics."
He came back a few minutes later while I had my free (real) coffee and said he couldn't agree to the cost for the amount of work done, so he stuck to his guns and said I'll only be charged what I was originally quoted.
I really respected Nick for doing that and I will never forget it. 

 

PS: My car has never driven better since the new distributor cap, spark plugs and temp sensor change. It's amazing how much difference a few little parts make.


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Posted 18 December 2014 - 10:47 PM

That indeed is was a gutsy move by Nick ..... hats off to him.



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 11:30 PM

Dude I feel your pain so damn much. The Toyota Stealership F**ked me big time too tl;dr had snapped lift bolt, couldn't be extracted, took it to them because everyone I called didn't know what to do, had to print instructions for the stealership, stealership put my engine back together INCORRECTLY as if it was a corolla 1ZZ and caused timing to be out. Cost me $900. Very very unhappy

Love Toyota cars, hate their service people at dealerships. It must be said I have a great relationship with the parts manager and we collectively hate the service people haha. I also get Trade on all parts, cheering.

Yea workshops should stay away from soldering like TD said. I'm all for doing crimping and doing it properly. 

Glad you got a nice service guy as they are far and few between. I guess the mentality is that you think the best people suited to the job would be those who sell the cars but in reality they're the worst and most expensive I could have saved so much money and heartbreak if I took it to another specialist and just gave them the instructions. We all learn this lesson, sorry to hear you had to learn it like I did. 


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 12:05 AM

It must be said that I had ordered other parts to pick up with the car that I would install myself. so it was $150 (fixed cost) for diagnostic and $115 for a number of parts incl sensor.

Matt, I'm glad my problem wasn't as serious as yours....wow I would've been boiling inside if I were in your shoes.
Ha! I have an uncannily similar relationship with the Parts Department over here too. lol

 

I'm a colour-coded crimping+taping guy too :P


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 01:01 PM

all you haters on the solder joints make me lol,,, you must be F***ing terrible at it,,,   any big stuff i crimp   any small stuff i solder then use resin filled heat shrink that prevents corrosion and prevents any stress on the soldered joint. iv never had one fail and iv done it on stuff worth a hell of a lot more than any car. 


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 02:57 PM

A soldered joint is a conductor for RF interferance plus things mentioned above


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 09:09 PM

man I remember pulling that hose off on my 5sfe. I just went to super cheap and got a generic hose to replace.

 

glad its running ok now


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 10:20 PM

I can never be bothered to solder....unless it's to a plug, harness or circuitry. But even then I'll try to use a harness which utilities push pins/blades which you crimp to the wires.

I'm just glad this whole episode is over....*phew*
Next is valve guide seals and exhaust system replacement...stupid pulverised cat! Stupid rusted holes in pipe!

 

A soldered joint is a conductor for RF interferance plus things mentioned above

By RF do you mean radio frequency?


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 11:23 PM

all you haters on the solder joints make me lol,,, you must be F***ing terrible at it

 

Dude you haven't met incompetence with solder until you've met me. My solder never moves to the wire, it all gets too hot to touch and I get countless burns from working in tight spaces. I'd be better if I practised but seeing as there is little to no difference in resistance and strength when comparing a good crimp to a good solder joint.
I will solder and take time and do a good job if I HAVE to but I'd prefer to crimp. 

 

Matt, I'm glad my problem wasn't as serious as yours....wow I would've been boiling inside if I were in your shoes.
Ha! I have an uncannily similar relationship with the Parts Department over here too. lol

 

I'm a colour-coded crimping+taping guy too :P

I rang the manager once I got home and gave it too him, me and him refuse to talk to each other and if I hear him advise something wrong (which happens a lot there) to a customer when I'm in getting parts I'll jump in and give the customer my mechanics number.






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