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#1 Superdaws

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:26 PM

My Celica went in for its 80,000 service today. As a precaution i asked them to replace the camshaft lift bolts with the new tapered ones.

Sure enough when they tried to remove the old ones, my intake side lift bolt had been broken!

Please note there is no TSB in Australia regarding this issue (as brought up in Kids topic). Toyota tech australia seem like they dont want to know about the problem unfortunately. Maybe if the problem arises more they will take notice.

I recommend more of you have it checked out!

Heres a link to the US TSB: Show your toyota dealer.
http://teamcelica.co...s/liftbolts.pdf
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 02:53 PM

Sound like the exact same thing as me.

And from ur other post i see lift still worked.

So did u end up getting the intake bolt out ok?
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 03:40 PM

So all of a sudden there is two reported cases of broken lift bolts with no noticeable loss of lift. I guess the rest of us are gonna have to check and replace our bolts (and hope that they are not broken already).

Although if lift still works, I don't see why I cannot just leave it in there as I'm gonna sell the car in a year or two anyway.
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 03:53 PM

They are still working on it, i wont get it back until next week now.

Sounds like it takes a while to get the broken bolt out!

Lucky i dont need the car over the weekend!
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 06:21 PM

Lol so your not going down the road to get the slab then? I feel your pain when u say its like they dont wanna know about it(although they still have it)...no toyota dealer in newcastle even knew what L standed for in VVTL-I...im still trying to find out what TTR is lol (Team Toyota Racing)..cant find it anywhere...anyways how many Kms did u rack up b4 the lift bolt went?i got 20,000 exact on mine and just wanna know when stress is gonna take its toll?

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 06:44 PM

damn man...good luck with getting the bolt out.

thats all i need to prove to me that australia is also affected by this problem...it seems toyota australia is very uneducated or simply being left out of the big picture
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 09:22 PM

Im sitting on 75000kms. Ill have to do a run around and try and get it checked out. Might be taking a week because they have to order the bolt in, since it looks like no one knows about it.

How much extra is it gonna cost ya?

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 10:56 PM

Well then, looks like i'll be booking my car in next week to get this looked at. I'm at 120K so im guessing im in the same boat. I suggest most people here check their vehicles and report if you also have this issue, as Toyota will need to get into gear and address this issue for the Aussie 7th gen Celica owners.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 11:15 PM

Im same as u sharmz, very close to 120,000Km service, will get mine checked out.

So if they're snapped u can still get lift but NOT AS STRONG?! Correct??

If so... wow its gonna feel awesome maybe!?
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Posted 12 November 2005 - 01:31 AM

Yeh get on it guys, the more people do this, the more aware toyota will be.

Ez: Yeh with me i felt lift was weaker. That's why i decided to check the lift bolts in the first place.
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Posted 12 November 2005 - 10:03 AM

Seriously, there should be a recall on this. The amount of damage the the broken bolt can cause is just too much. I'm gonna be ordering a new set of lift bolts and get them changed. I hope mine aren't snapped

How much did it cost to get the bolt out from toyota kid?

Edit: Just ordered my bolts. Should be picking them up either Monday or Tuesday. Cost me 1.30 per bolt. Im surprised that the Toyota dealer near me has it on their database....

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 12:24 PM

Cost me about 250 dude.
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Posted 12 November 2005 - 02:48 PM

I got a little more info on the topic.

Supposedly what is breaking our bolts isn't the strength of the bolt itself, but that they are in to tight from the factory. This then causes them to wear a lot quicker....

New bolts are a better design still. Im going to replace mine in the next week or two, as soon as I pick up the bolts

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 04:10 PM

i ordered mine 2day there $1.20 each plus i got a rocker cover gasket n that costs $30.

Sharmz what toyota dealer u taking ur car to? lander toyota?
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Posted 12 November 2005 - 04:15 PM

My Celica went in for its 80,000 service today. As a precaution i asked them to replace the camshaft lift bolts with the new tapered ones.


how much is toyota charging to u to get the bolts out?

what makes a company recall its products? for eg could they recall our cars because of the factory problem? or would they only do a recall if its to do with something with safety
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Posted 12 November 2005 - 04:49 PM

I think safety more so than anything else. My dad's Tarago was recalled last due to an ignition problem or something like that.

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 06:05 PM

ok...i got my lift bolts now i just gota get a mechanic to check the original bolts
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Posted 14 November 2005 - 11:03 PM

arghhh crap, i was going to do this myself, but by the sounds of things, with 100,000 on the clock its going to be broken which is too much to tackle myself.

Superdaws:
Do you know if they pulled your top end apart to get the broken piece out, or did they just use an ezi-out style bolt removing tool?
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Posted 15 November 2005 - 06:19 AM

i ordered mine 2day there $1.20 each plus i got a rocker cover gasket n that costs $30.

Sharmz what toyota dealer u taking ur car to? lander toyota?

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castle hill toyota most probably. What part number did you order?

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 10:05 AM

Did we need to order the rocker cover gasket as well? I thought it wasnt needed, justa "simple" bolt replacement if the bolt isn't broken.....

Targa: Why don't you give it a shot, if it broken just take it to the mechanic? Could save you money

Edit: I was speaking to my mechanic and he said I should replace the rocker cover gasket as well. I'll be ordering that before doing any work on it. Getting charged $45 an hr.

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 06:33 PM

i ordered the same lift bolt number in the tsb.

i bought the rocker cover and ventaltion gasket plus the 2 lift bolts end up costing me $41...since my car is 5 yrs old i thought id do it once n do it right!

ive been really wanting to check if my bolts are broken, i would do it but i dont have a tension wrench
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Posted 15 November 2005 - 10:44 PM

as long as ur careful with the gasket and it dosent break when u take it off youre all good

if youre worried, add a few dabs of silastic to the rocker cover gasket to stop leaks

if it does end up leaking (or even if you break it) just put it back and replace it later, its just a gasket, unless you race your car its not going to do any damage. All it will do is make a bit more noise and dribble a bit of oil if it gets damaged.

I figure that ill spend the money on gaskets when i *know* theyre stuffed, that way I save a few bucks in the short term.

if it breaks into a million pieces youre well F***ed tho... hrmm my gasket still feels soft, its all good!

my only concern is that IF the bolt IS broken... then how do I get the car to the mechanics??????? anyone know if its safe to drive with a broken bolt?
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 11:55 AM

I'm sure it's pretty safe to drive with broken bolts.. As long as you dont hit lift.

But why take it to the mechanics? Aren't they just gonna drill it out? And charge you a heap because of the time they take to do the stuff you already done (remove cover, plugs, hoses etc)

Can't you do that yourself or call out thread removing people? I think they come to your house and do those stuff.

Just wondering...
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 12:01 PM

Also.. I found this website.

http://www.brokentap.../easy-outs.html
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 01:34 PM

I showed this TSB to my local dealer (Sci Fleet in Brisbane) on a scheduled service visit some time ago and like others have said, they did not know anything about it. He told me that if the lift bolts were to fail and the car was out of warranty that there would be a good case for the replacement to be covered out of warranty by Toyota, as the American TSB clearly indicates that Toyota is aware of the problem. Either Toyota Australia were simply not aware of this problem due to the small number of cars in this country, or they simply chose to ignore it. I am taking my 2000 model in for the 80,000 km service next week and as this service includes valve clearance adjustment they will have to take the rocker cover off anyway, so I will get them to check my lift bolts at the same time. if they are broken I will definately be taking this up with Toyota Australia and insisting that any extra labour costs be covered by them to replace the faulty bolts. I think that legally the existance of the TSB indicates that they sold an engine with faulty components and I would be very surprised if Consumer Affairs would not support this.

I think that everyone who experiences this problem should forward the exact details to Toyota Australia including a copy of the TSB and insist on compensation. Don't rely on the dealer to do this for you. Remember Toyota always stresses that they make the most reliabable cars and I don't think they would like the bad press that this would cause in the motoring world if details got out.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 10:02 AM

toyota hasnt included it in the warranty because they have realized that it wont be a problem in 99% of cases untill the warranty has EXPIRED.

like my car is 5 years old and it still hasnt caused a real problem, the only peple who will know are enthusiasts who are more than happy to pay to get it fixed. (or DIY)

I know its real evil of them, same thing with the fading sunroof and leaking and oxidizing headlights.... its not going ot become apparent until the warranty is all gone!!!

they released the TSB in the US, but its just a TSB, its not a recall, so unless you catch on within 3 years of warranty, youre going to have to foot the bill too.

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Yeah, I have a kit of those, but i dont want to accidentally scrape something i shoudlnt because its fiddly to use them in a confined (and oily) place
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 11:40 AM

I went to order the parts yesterday and talk to two of the mechanics... One of them told me that they charge me for pulling apart the rocker cover and all and charge me for getting a specialist thread removing guy to come out and do it.

Then the other said they won't touch it if something is broken.

So if you have any mechanical knowledge at all.. I recommend doing it yourself. Saving you the money and time.
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 03:02 PM

I would get a new gastket when u replace...

Its not as easy as just pulling the broken bolt out with "easy out". If you read the TSB ( and what they did for my car) is all the timing chain etc has to come off the end, cams out, and then pull the "lift rod" partially out to remove the broken bolt part (cant remember its tech name).
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 06:27 PM

if the bolts arent broken do u really have to tighten the lift bolts to the specified tightness? i know it might sound stupid but mechanics are rip offs i just paid today $150 for 1 hr work for my gfs brake to get changed...hold told me bullshit that in the book he has it says it takes 3 hrs to change brakes no matter if they do it in 10 mins what a rip
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:08 PM

Heres my broken intake lift bolt...

Also a little bit of wear on the exhaust one...

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